[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

Oh give me a break. It's not like Admin Fusion is some SEO guru website. It doesn't mean a damn thing that they changed their urls.

You've somehow taken this personally? I've never liked the look of a t[thread_id] and I never will
I still suggest to anyone setting up their site to use a f[forum_id] but using a [thread_title]-[thread_id]/ in the post..
I think it makes the thread a bit more personal and allow the admin to tweak the forum cat names without messing up the structure.

and about the RR's, I don't see how they can't help??
You are putting targeted keywords higher up on the page, and the bots will read from the top down.

This is yet another thing I'll continue to suggest

[valdet]

I agree with loco. Search engines also place more value to links that contain your actual keywords, rather than txxx ones.

RR are also better that vB default description because you can wrap them with h1, h2 or h3 tags and when combined with description and few words from teh thread it gives more weight on keyword ration on your page.

Cheers,
Val.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by loco.m

You've somehow taken this personally? I've never liked the look of a t[thread_id] and I never will

I haven't taken anything personally and I don't have any problem with you, just to get that part out of the way. I always recommend people to you when they send me PMs looking for vBulletin help. I just really don't like it when people use such loose excuses for doing something such as "Admin Fusion changed theirs so surely it must be worth a try". That doesn't mean anything. The owners have claimed in no way to be SEO experts or given anyone any reason why their opinion on the URLs is anymore valid than a person's that doesn't use keywords in the URLs.

and about the RR's, I don't see how they can't help??
You are putting targeted keywords higher up on the page, and the bots will read from the top down.

Google, Yahoo and MSN aren't stupid. It's not unique keywords. It's the same thing that's already on the page, just cut off at a certain point.

Not to mention it's incredibly ugly to stuff words into the navigation that don't even end in a correct sentence: Would you like to post articles on our home page blog?

Discuss Would you like to post articles on our home page blog? in the vBulletin Setup Announcements forums; I was talking with Rocket about the new botm badge to match the new style and we started talking about blogs for some reason. I said that I wasn't ...

How is that beneficial to the user? It's not. It's going to excessive points to try to attract better rankings. If you take care of the basic SEO principles of removing duplicate content, duplicate urls and providing content rich information that visitors are going to want to link to then you don't have to worry about anything.

This is yet another thing I'll continue to suggest

And I'll continue to not suggest it. Man, that must make me an expert since I have decided to suggest to not do something.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by valdet

I agree with loco. Search engines also place more value to links that contain your actual keywords, rather than txxx ones.

Prove It.

RR are also better that vB default description because you can wrap them with h1, h2 or h3 tags and when combined with description and few words from teh thread it gives more weight on keyword ration on your page.

This may have been the case 5 years ago. This is 2008. A search engine isn't going to take into consideration (nothing worth influencing ranking on SERPs) something that can be so easily manipulated. I've proven that you don't have to have keywords in URLs to get great rankings in Google with my site.

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

I just really don't like it when people use such loose excuses for doing something such as "Admin Fusion changed theirs so surely it must be worth a try". That doesn't mean anything. The owners have claimed in no way to be SEO experts or given anyone any reason why their opinion on the URLs is anymore valid than a person's that doesn't use keywords in the URLs.

I understand, I guess I was just trying to give some credit to the owners of AF

Thanks for the referrals, I do get name drops with new clients and I sincerely do appreciate it from you or anyone else.

I guess I could of worded my original phrase a little better. Something about it being maybe a personal preference, because of the reason I mentioned in the last post.

As for the RR example you posted, I think that has more to do with my ability to write proper english ..lol

Here examples of people who can actually write
Why most forums fail within first year of their existence
10 Tips for new vBulletin admins

If I could find a way to out the RR's in the header and keep it from looking like total crap, I would give it a try.

[bdude]

I'd prefer to have the thread title in the URL - from a user's prospective. What looks nicer? http://bloggingcafe.net/f20/t3382184 or http://bloggingcafe.net/f20/great-wordpress-themes/?

[BamaStangGuy]

The first one. The second one can and will get excessively long.

http://forum.vbulletinsetup.com/f16/why-most-forums-fail-within-first-4912.html

First what? First 4912...... ?

[valdet]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

Prove It.

Thousands of other sites can already prove that. IT WORKS. I don't need to explain anymore.

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

This may have been the case 5 years ago. This is 2008. A search engine isn't going to take into consideration (nothing worth influencing ranking on SERPs) something that can be so easily manipulated. I've proven that you don't have to have keywords in URLs to get great rankings in Google with my site.

If your signature links are your sites, then you can easily back off, because even a novice webmaster can achieve better PR than PR2 and PR3.
For your reference:



Your high post number here does not mean everything, and I wonder how can AF staff tolerate such aggressive approach toward new members. There are countless of other webmaster related forums which are more popular and do not "cocky" members like yourself.

Have a nice day.
Val.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by valdet

Thousands of other sites can already prove that. IT WORKS. I don't need to explain anymore.

Yes you do. Thousands of other sites are perfectly indexed and rank well without keywords in the URL.

If your signature links are your sites, then you can easily back off, because even a novice webmaster can achieve better PR than PR2 and PR3.

Pagerank is the most worthless thing in existence and proves absolutely nothing, just how little you know about Search Engine Optimization.

For your reference:

For your reference:
Google
mustang - Google Search (2)
mustang forums - Google Search (9)
saleen mustang - Google Search (3)
2008 bullitt Mustang - Google Search (4)

Yahoo
mustang - Yahoo! Search Results (4)
ford mustang - Yahoo! Search Results (5)
2008 bullitt mustang - Yahoo! Search Results (2)
saleen mustang - Yahoo! Search Results (4)
2008 saleen Mustang - Google Search (1 & 2)

I don't care what some little green bar says my site is, I only care what my site is doing in the search engine result pages. That's what matters and that's what gauges how well a site is doing in search engines.

I out rank sites that are 6 years older than me for some of the most sought after terms in my topic. I recieve over 1500 uniques a day from Google and 500-700 a day from Yahoo. I've received 60,000 unique visitors in one day from Yahoo alone.

Please learn at least the basics of search engines before telling me I need to "back off".

I'm aggressive because I believe I am 100% right and I don't just say that because I'm cocky. I believe that because when it comes to SEO I've done just about everything. Gone to the extremes and back. It frustrates me that people are giving out advice with absolutely no sound logic behind it, other than "personal preference". You can't present a valid argument for keywords being beneficial other than just being more user friendly. They have very little benefit when it comes to search engines and I have presented the logic and reasoning behind that. You have told me to look at a green bar and that you don't need to explain because thousands of sites do it.

You don't have to assume I am right, you have the right to try to prove me wrong. Using pagerank to do that just isn't going to cut it.

Your high post number here does not mean everything, and I wonder how can AF staff tolerate such aggressive approach toward new members. There are countless of other webmaster related forums which are more popular and do not "cocky" members like yourself.

I simply asked you to prove something of which you gave me a incredibly vague and utterly ridiculous "fact" as your proof.

[Caddyman]

oooooeeeeeee, I love SEO threads.

I'm not new to SEO, but I def don't know the intricacies of it either. I use title's in URL's and it seems to work ok. I did have a question ok?

with vbseo, if you use the rewrite for titles in url's, will digg accept the reg url in your browser?

i use zoints with the description in url and digg tells me it is redirected too much or something.

any ideas?